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Sukhoi22
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W&R Chernoye

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Goodevening,

On 21-7-2017 I was after the Monino museum with 4aviation gone to Chernoye. A lot of planes and helo's, but difficult to indentified. Maybe you can help me to solve the problems. On this visit I have photograped:

Chernoye area 1 Stored. Walked on this way:
AN-2T RF-00450 (1G-6325) Rus.AF
AN-2T RF-02335 (1G-16122) Rus.AF
AN-2T RF-00342 (1G11848) Rus.AF
MI-2 RF-00524 (549531125) Rus.AF
cn. 549531016 – Mach III
cn. 549531125- on paper

MI-2 RF-00855 (545848118) Rus.AF
MI-2 RF-00501 (5410915049) Rus.AF
MI-2 548324093 (24yl) Rus.AF
MI-2 CCCP- (5210550048) only CCCP- on tail
MI-2 4K-20986 (529721046) CIVIL
MI-2 azerbazjan airlines
MI-2 grey white
MI-2 CCCP-20367 (529814066) CIVIL
MI-2 4K-20368 (529815066) CIVIL
MI-2 4K-20366 (529813066) CIVIL
MI-2 4K-20368 (8790404392) CIVIL
MI-2 RF-00528 (549442105/26yl) Rus.AF
MI-2 4K-20876 (528237073) CIVIL
MI-2 RA-14321 (545501018/63yl) Rus.AF
MI-2 (547146061/52yl) Rus.AF
MI-2 (547114041/50yl) Rus.AF
MI-2 (547613032/23yl) Rus.AF
MI-2 (549549016/44yl) Rus.AF
MI-2 CCCP-23254 (5210328087) CIVIL
MI-2 RA-00526 (549603016/14yl)Rus.AF

AN-2 CCCP-
AN-2 RF-02343 (1G-2828) Rus.AF
AN-2 aeroflot
AN-2E 3A-00078 (1G-19210) CIVIL
AN-2 RA- (aeroflot)
AN-2 RA-56503 (1G-18260) CIVIL
AN-2 CCCP-17817 (1G-20418) CIVIL
AN-2 RF-00375 (1G-11854) Rus.AF
AN-2 RA-84591 (1G18958) CIVIL
AN-2 aeroflot
AN-2 CCCP-07772 (1G-16147) CIVIL
AN-2 RA-85 aerflot
AN-2 -119 ? aeroflot
AN-2 green c/s
AN-2 (1G-16235/10yl) Rus.AF
AN-2 (1G-9835/09yl) Rus.AF
AN-2 RA-32607 (1G-21906) CIVIL
AN-2 (1G-16136/02yl) Rus.AF
AN-2 (1G-11834/03yl) Rus.AF

L-29 RF-00546 (395062/87rd) Rus.AF
L-29 NM (591601/33rd) Rus.AF
PZL-104 85222 (26bl) Rus.AF
PZL-104 139468 (25rd) Rus.AF
PZL-104 107352 (27rd) Rus.AF

MI-2 RF-00512 (549616016) Rus.AF
MI-2 RA-20255 (547213071)
MI-2 RA-23549 (526138059/8747) CIVIL (TjechAF)
MI-2 (35yl)
cn. 547235071/RA-23718
MI-2 RA-23324 (529213045) CIVIL
MI-2 RF-14412 (549617016) Rus.AF
MI-2 RA-20861 (548142043) CIVIL
MI-2 yellow no mks
MI-2 EW-23232 (5210233057) CIVIL
MI-2 RA-23443 (539416095) CIVIL
MI-2 blue c/s former Tjech.AF?
MI-2 CCCP-23284 (549105025) CIVIL
MI-2 CCCP-20376 (528237073) CIVIL
MI-2 CCCP- (528875866) CIVIL
PZL-104 128449 (64bl) Rus.AF
PZL-104 NM
PZL-104 (12rd)
19850830/12rd Emoos
19850835/15rd scramble database
19850835/12rd Mach III


Operarational area:
MI-8 RA-22584 (7875) CIVIL
AN-2 RF-90573 (1G-9815/01yl) Rus.AF
AN-2 RA-33301 (1G22518??) CIVIL
AN-2 RF-90576 (117147301/03yl) Rus.AF
AN-2 RF-00721 (1G-16121) Rus.AF
AN-2 RF-90515 (1G-10849/03yl) Rus.AF
AN-2 (09yl) Rus.AF
AN-2 (01yl) Rus.AF
AN-2 RF-00889 (1G-15410) ex.RA-02092 DOSAAF Rus.AF (CIVIL)
AN-2 RF-00472 (1G-18842) Rus.AF
AN-2 RA-07227 (1G-14656) CIVIL
AN-2 (1G-20625/01yl) Rus.AF
AN-2 RF-90380 (1G-5925/23yl) Rus.AF
PZL-104 wit
SU-26/29
AN-2 RF-00455 (1G-16041) Rus.AF
AN-2 68170 (1G-19705) CIVIL
AN-2 01572 (1G-8116) CIVIL
YAK-18 RA-44310 CIVIL
YAK-18 RA-44303 CIVIL
YAK-18 RA-44309 CIVIL

AN-2 (1G-24054/54yl) Rus.AF
AN-2 RA-62438 (1G-4108) CIVIL
AN-2 RA-17883 (1G-20524) CIVIL
MI-2 RF-00522 (5410913049) Rus.AF
cn. 5410913049 – photographed
cn. 545903118 – MachIII
all of them from Stupino, with the same RF-serial.

MI-8 RA-25655 (98233085) CIVIL

Second Mi-2 area:
MI-2 RA-15642 (5410113017) Rus.AF
scrambledatabase – Mil.
Mach III – unknown
MI-2 bare metal
MI-2 RA-15632 (5210329087)
MI-2 RA-15675 (5410614058) Rus.AF
MI-2 RA-23792 (5410945069) Rus.AF
MI-2 RA-15623 (5210038126) CIVIL
MI-2 548325083 (25yl) Rus.AF
MI-2 54881007-?(47yl) Rus.AF
cn. 548810073 – Mach III
cn. 548810074 – Scramble database and Emoos

MI-2 RA-14128 (5410840029)
MI-2 RA-23742 (5410640068) Rus.AF
MI-2 OK-GAA (tail)
MI-2 OK-??AA (tail)
MI-2 tail former Tjech.AF?
MI-2 548323093 (23yl) Rus.AF
MI-2 RF-00589 (547510022/39wh) Rus.AF
MI-2 RF-00509 (5410820019) ex. RA-23608 Rus.AF
MI-2 548321083 (21yl) Rus.AF
MI-2 RA-15704 (547749082) Rus.AF
MI-2 RA-15683 (548245073) Rus.AF
MI-2 RA-23800 (548637044) Rus.AF
MI-2 RA-15695 (5410312077) Rus.AF
MI-2 RA-14263 (5311216041) CIVIL
MI-2 RA-23716 (5410637068) Rus.AF
cn. 5410636068 or 5210636068
MI-2 RA-14155 (5310413107) CIVIL
MI-2 RF-00377 (548625034/01yl) Rus.AF
MI-2 (549602016) (48yl) Rus.AF

Mi-8 row. Fotographing of them was forbidden. I saw only the first row:
MI-8 (06yl) cn. 8165? Rus.AF
MI-8(MTV-2) 95147 (39yl/RF-92539)
MI-8(PS) 8328 (14yl) Rus.AF
MI-8 (15yl)
MI-8 bare metal
MI-8 8167 (25yl)
MI-8(MT) 93068 (42829/71yl) Rus.AF
MI-8 (01yl)
MI-8 (04yl)

Some AN-2's were stored behind the Mi-2. Only photographed. Our border was not further than the Mi-2's:
Mi-2 green c/s no mks.
AN-2 RA-40816 (1G-17343) Civil
AN-2 1G-19415 (03yl) Rus.AF
AN-2 RF-32369 (1G-10020) CIVIL

AN-3T RA-05887 (2113) CIVIL
AN-3T RA-71232?

+2 behind the left building

Visited Hangar
AN-2 RA-84709
MI-8 RA-24554 (98522951) CIVIL
MI-2
MI-4
MI-8T 98522951 (RA-24554)
AN-2 RA-33555 (1G22947)

Gateguards:
MI-1 (01yl) Rus.AF
MI-4 (04yl) Rus.AF
MI-2 RF-00060 (546541030) Rus.AF, outside gate.

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Re: W&R Chernoye

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Here's my idea about your problems:

Chernoye area 1 Stored. Walked on this way:
MI-2 RF-00524 (549531125) Rus.AF
cn. 549531016 – Mach III
cn. 549531125- on paper
>> 549531125 is indeed correct I think. Maybe the last three digits were misread in the past, or a "cut and paste" error in the report.

MI-2 RA-23549 (526138059/8747) CIVIL (TjechAF)
>> You have two different identities quoted. Czech 8747 was not that c/n
MI-2 (35yl)
cn. 547235071/RA-23718
>> How was this identified please?
PZL-104 (12rd)
19850830/12rd Emoos
19850835/15rd scramble database
19850835/12rd Mach III
>> This has been checked as 19850830. 19850835 was with the Central Gliding School at Oryol/Pugachevka in May15, with bort 1 black

Operarational area:
MI-2 RF-00522 (5410913049) Rus.AF
cn. 5410913049 – photographed
cn. 545903118 – MachIII
all of them from Stupino, with the same RF-serial.
>> current RF-00522: https://russianplanes.net/id94763
>> old RF-00522: http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8428/7832 ... 4fbc_b.jpg

Second Mi-2 area:
MI-2 54881007-?(47yl) Rus.AF
cn. 548810073 – Mach III
cn. 548810074 – Scramble database and Emoos
>> Has been physically checked as 548810074
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Re: W&R Chernoye

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MI-2 RA-23549 (526138059/8747) CIVIL (TjechAF)
>> You have two different identities quoted. Czech 8747 was not that c/n
MI-2 (35yl)
cn. 547235071/RA-23718
>> How was this identified please?
-} This was green without markings, with only 35yl on the motor, was behind RA-23549 and between (left of it) RA-23255 and (right of it) not marked yellow with red trim.
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Re: W&R Chernoye

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Goodevening,

I have a question about these former Tjech.AF Mi-2's. Maybe can any help me with these ones:
OK-GAA (blue tail on ground apron 2) 0240 - 5110240067
OK-SAA (yellow tail on ground apron 2)
5432 - 535432127
8218 - 518218063 - on photograph some tracks of 821_

8218 cn. 518218063 / yellow c/s with red trim
(blue tail on ground apron 2) photograph (OK-MA_) bad quality paper

7742 (blue c/s) no mks no tailboom / from the left side of RA-23443 at apron 1

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Re: W&R Chernoye

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Maybe I don't read it well, but what exactly is your question?
Cheers,

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Re: W&R Chernoye

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My question is about the Mi-2 of the Tjech.AF.

OK-GAA (blue tail on ground apron 2) 0240 - 5110240067 - helidat.cz and scramble book 2007
OK-SAA (yellow tail on ground apron 2)
5432 - 535432127
8218 - 518218063 - on photograph some tracks of 821_ (is this one 8218? on scramble is it to civil use and stored at chernoye. Sources from helidat.cz and scramble book 2007

8218 cn. 518218063 / yellow c/s with red trim
(blue tail on ground apron 2) photograph (OK-MA_) bad quality paper (which Tjech. civil serial must it be?

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