Donauwoerth (Airbus) EDPR 2021 (CIV+MIL)

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Re: Donauwoerth (Airbus) EDPR 2021 (CIV+MIL)

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Mr.Herkybird wrote: 28 Oct 2021, 18:40 Seen at a foggy Donauwörth today between 1000-1330L:
D-HADI H145 Securitive Civil, outside for engine runs, help with confirmation of c/n required
The two on order are F-ZBQM (21070) and F-ZBQN (21071).
The D-HADI should be c/n 21070
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Re: Donauwoerth (Airbus) EDPR 2021 (CIV+MIL)

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Mr.Herkybird wrote: 28 Oct 2021, 18:40 Seen at a foggy Donauwörth today between 1000-1330L:

8451 CH-53GS outside for engine runs
8447 CH-53GS outside for engine runs
8501 CH-53GS outside for engine runs
7951 NH.90NFH Marine towed outside of F8 for an engine test
7953 NH.90NFH Marine, testflight
7964 NH.90NFH Marine, inside military hangar
7967 NH.90NFH Marine, towed from final asssembly to military hangar, still incomplete
D-HBTG H145 primer c/n 21092 towed from back of factory to refueling point an back to backside :-)
D-HADI H145 Securitive Civil, outside for engine runs, help with confirmation of c/n required
D-HCBD H135 RThai AF, towed from C8 to compensation point, help, is this 20205 ?
D-HADD H145 shiny yellow c/s, towed from C8 to outside
D-HATD H6 (?)45, olive, towed from C8 to outside
D-HBKT H145 silver, towed to refueling point and didn´t move then
D-HBKM H145 overall golden with golden stripes, towed outside from backside and back to backside after refueling
D-HBTC H135 black, inside C9, very western spot
D-HADV H145 all white, from C9 to D10
D-HADO H645 olive, parked on ramp between C7 and C9, no national marks at all, Hungary ?
D-HBKY H145 black, towed outside from D10
D-HBTE H145 creme or white (hard to tell with the bad visibility), towed outside from C8
D-HADF H145 light yellow, towed outside from C8
D-HBKS H145 black, red stripes, towed outside from D10

Augsburg saw H145 D-HADM/A6-MPC and H645 FAE1256/D-HBKG parked outside.


Help with the missing numbers would be apprecitaed,

Andy
Hi Andy,
a few remarks from my side:
D-HADO is in fact Hungarian AF (c/n 20284, future 05)
I guess "D-HATD" should read "D-HADT" instead
D-HBTC is a brazilian H145 not 135
Most interesting is your sighting of the Thai AF H135 D-HCBD
D-HCBD should be helicopter number 7 of only 6 ordered?! D-HECC (2126), D-HCBO (2130) and D-HECC (21..) are already delivered to Thailand as 20201-20203. Unfortunately no tie-ip between serial and c/n is known so far.
Still in Germany are D-HECF (2140), D-HCBJ (2155) and D-HCBM (2158?). These three should be 20204-20206 but again no tie-up is known.
D-HCBM was flying yesterday. So could it maybe be possible that HCBD should read HCBM?
Otherwise I think we will have to keep an eye on that one...

bye and see you next time (I cancelled my visit yesterday due to the fog in the morning)
Alex
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Re: Donauwoerth (Airbus) EDPR 2021 (CIV+MIL)

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W&R wrote: 28 Oct 2021, 19:39
Mr.Herkybird wrote: 28 Oct 2021, 18:40 Seen at a foggy Donauwörth today between 1000-1330L:
D-HADI H145 Securitive Civil, outside for engine runs, help with confirmation of c/n required
The two on order are F-ZBQM (21070) and F-ZBQN (21071).
The D-HADI should be c/n 21070
Quoted by others as 21071 and 21082, thus 21070/1 are not confirmed as tie-ups
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Re: Donauwoerth (Airbus) EDPR 2021 (CIV+MIL)

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spottervito wrote: 29 Oct 2021, 08:37
Mr.Herkybird wrote: 28 Oct 2021, 18:40 Seen at a foggy Donauwörth today between 1000-1330L:

8451 CH-53GS outside for engine runs
8447 CH-53GS outside for engine runs
8501 CH-53GS outside for engine runs
7951 NH.90NFH Marine towed outside of F8 for an engine test
7953 NH.90NFH Marine, testflight
7964 NH.90NFH Marine, inside military hangar
7967 NH.90NFH Marine, towed from final asssembly to military hangar, still incomplete
D-HBTG H145 primer c/n 21092 towed from back of factory to refueling point an back to backside :-)
D-HADI H145 Securitive Civil, outside for engine runs, help with confirmation of c/n required
D-HCBD H135 RThai AF, towed from C8 to compensation point, help, is this 20205 ?
D-HADD H145 shiny yellow c/s, towed from C8 to outside
D-HATD H6 (?)45, olive, towed from C8 to outside
D-HBKT H145 silver, towed to refueling point and didn´t move then
D-HBKM H145 overall golden with golden stripes, towed outside from backside and back to backside after refueling
D-HBTC H135 black, inside C9, very western spot
D-HADV H145 all white, from C9 to D10
D-HADO H645 olive, parked on ramp between C7 and C9, no national marks at all, Hungary ?
D-HBKY H145 black, towed outside from D10
D-HBTE H145 creme or white (hard to tell with the bad visibility), towed outside from C8
D-HADF H145 light yellow, towed outside from C8
D-HBKS H145 black, red stripes, towed outside from D10

Augsburg saw H145 D-HADM/A6-MPC and H645 FAE1256/D-HBKG parked outside.


Help with the missing numbers would be apprecitaed,

Andy
Hi Andy,
a few remarks from my side:
D-HADO is in fact Hungarian AF (c/n 20284, future 05)
I guess "D-HATD" should read "D-HADT" instead
D-HBTC is a brazilian H145 not 135
Most interesting is your sighting of the Thai AF H135 D-HCBD
D-HCBD should be helicopter number 7 of only 6 ordered?! D-HECC (2126), D-HCBO (2130) and D-HECC (21..) are already delivered to Thailand as 20201-20203. Unfortunately no tie-ip between serial and c/n is known so far.
Still in Germany are D-HECF (2140), D-HCBJ (2155) and D-HCBM (2158?). These three should be 20204-20206 but again no tie-up is known.
D-HCBM was flying yesterday. So could it maybe be possible that HCBD should read HCBM?
Otherwise I think we will have to keep an eye on that one...

bye and see you next time (I cancelled my visit yesterday due to the fog in the morning)
Alex

Hi Alex,

thanks for your reply.

Correct, D-HATD is HADT.

The Thai is absolutely correct, D-HCBD. It was parked by the vistorsentrance next to west end of hangar C9, readable with bare eyes, so no doubt in this one. I tried to identify the Thai reg underneath the Germans reg sticker, but it was perfectly put in place.

Could it be that they changed the test reg from BM to BD ?

Andy
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Re: Donauwoerth (Airbus) EDPR 2021 (CIV+MIL)

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jwparkin wrote: 29 Oct 2021, 11:55
W&R wrote: 28 Oct 2021, 19:39
Mr.Herkybird wrote: 28 Oct 2021, 18:40 Seen at a foggy Donauwörth today between 1000-1330L:
D-HADI H145 Securitive Civil, outside for engine runs, help with confirmation of c/n required
The two on order are F-ZBQM (21070) and F-ZBQN (21071).
The D-HADI should be c/n 21070
Quoted by others as 21071 and 21082, thus 21070/1 are not confirmed as tie-ups
JP
21070 and 21071 are mentioned on the Sécurité Civile own facebook page.
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Re: Donauwoerth (Airbus) EDPR 2021 (CIV+MIL)

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W&R wrote: 29 Oct 2021, 12:48
jwparkin wrote: 29 Oct 2021, 11:55
W&R wrote: 28 Oct 2021, 19:39
The two on order are F-ZBQM (21070) and F-ZBQN (21071).
The D-HADI should be c/n 21070
Quoted by others as 21071 and 21082, thus 21070/1 are not confirmed as tie-ups
JP
21070 and 21071 are mentioned on the Sécurité Civile own facebook page.
Noted Direction de la Sécurité Civile (Paris) 21071 F-ZBQM et 21082 F-ZBQN
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Re: Donauwoerth (Airbus) EDPR 2021 (CIV+MIL)

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Absolutely strange but then the only solution is that they in fact changed the test reg of one of the three remaining helis. They did it in the past ocasionally (for example one of the Ecuador AF got a new test reg).

But then it can`t be D-HCBM: that one was noted flying yesterday (I saw it on ADSB and there is a picture in Flugzeugforum also)

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W&R wrote: 29 Oct 2021, 12:48 21070 and 21071 are mentioned on the Sécurité Civile own facebook page.
If you refer to the message from May 5th, the construction numbers were not mentioned but photos were published as "SneakPeek". The H145 could easily be identified as 21071 (and at one photo 'Security Civile' as costumer visible on a piece of paper). At one photo H145 21070 was visible in the background.

This FB-message was posted in a few French forum and in a reply a contributer posted 21070 and 21071 as intended for Sécurité Civile (SC).
I already had my doubts, why publish different pics of 21071 and none of 21070 if it was also intended for the SC?
A few months later likely the answer, as another post claimed 21071 and 21082 are intended for the SC.

Time will tell if 21082 is indeed for the SC. Meanwhile a new post at FB reveals a photo of F-ZBQM and at another photo ‘D-HADI’ is visible as radio call.
https://www.facebook.com/securitecivile ... 0974696948
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spottervito wrote: 29 Oct 2021, 08:37 D-HCBD should be helicopter number 7 of only 6 ordered?! D-HECC (2126), D-HCBO (2130) and D-HECC (21..) are already delivered to Thailand as 20201-20203. Unfortunately no tie-ip between serial and c/n is known so far.
Still in Germany are D-HECF (2140), D-HCBJ (2155) and D-HCBM (2158?). These three should be 20204-20206 but again no tie-up is known.
D-HCBM was flying yesterday. So could it maybe be possible that HCBD should read HCBM?
Otherwise I think we will have to keep an eye on that one...

Alex
I believe D-HECC (2126), D-HCBO (2130) and D-HECF (2140) are delivered.
That leaves D-HCBJ, D-HCBM and 1 unkown (thus D-HCBD) still in Germany.
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I tried to get all sightings of the latest three Thai 135´s together and to me it makes some sense now.

20205 was seen by a friend coming from the back of the factory in late July, while D-HCBJ was outside the same moment.
So HCBJ should be 20204 then, c/n 2155.
HCBM, 20205 is then most likely c/n 2158.

20206 was first seen by Alex coming from the paintshop on 9th September, not noted with testreg thereafter.
So HCBD is most likely 20206, unknown c/n.

That is based on the assumption that the first three are delivered (c/n 2126, 2130, 2140).

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Thai AF D-HCBD is confirmed on October 4th.
It was seen together with D-HCBJ and a 3rd one (reg. not noted).
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Pieterjan wrote: 30 Oct 2021, 12:54
W&R wrote: 29 Oct 2021, 12:48 21070 and 21071 are mentioned on the Sécurité Civile own facebook page.
If you refer to the message from May 5th, the construction numbers were not mentioned but photos were published as "SneakPeek". The H145 could easily be identified as 21071 (and at one photo 'Security Civile' as costumer visible on a piece of paper). At one photo H145 21070 was visible in the background.

This FB-message was posted in a few French forum and in a reply a contributer posted 21070 and 21071 as intended for Sécurité Civile (SC).
I already had my doubts, why publish different pics of 21071 and none of 21070 if it was also intended for the SC?
A few months later likely the answer, as another post claimed 21071 and 21082 are intended for the SC.

Time will tell if 21082 is indeed for the SC. Meanwhile a new post at FB reveals a photo of F-ZBQM and at another photo ‘D-HADI’ is visible as radio call.
https://www.facebook.com/securitecivile ... 0974696948
On 11 October, both D-HADI and F-ZBQN were seen outside at the same moment (with D-HADI flapping around a bit).
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D-HBKB (09 ?) and D-HADN (08 ?) left Augsburg on delivery to Ukr. Police via LKTB-EPRZ to UKLL.
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Log Donauwoerth 10/11/2021
73+54 UH-1D WTD61 Visting 2 times as Limit 01/33 to and from ETSI
78+37 NH.90TTH Heer (outside for engine test, later into F8)
83+13 Sea Lynx Mk.88A Marine/MFG3. Flown over from Augsburg for some tests.
84+47 CH-53GS Lw/HSG64 outside on the ramp for engine test.
84+86 CH-53GA Lw/HSG64 outside on the ramp for engine test.
85+01 CH-53GS Lw/HSG64 (inside E7)
[98+49] Tiger UHT Heer. Local flight as "Redfox 1"
[D-HADD] BK.117D3 all bright yellow (S.A.F.), outside and later back into D10 (c/n confirmed as 21048)
[D-HADE] BK.117D2m F.A. Ecuatoriuana (inside hangar F8a) (=FAE-1255/20357)
[D-HADF] BK.117D3 all bright yellow (C/n 21076). Shortly towed outside of D10 when D-HBKO was pulled out. Might be another french rescue helicopter.
[D-HADO] BK.117D2m (Hungarian AF), noted unidentified in the back of D10 and might be HUAF 05/20284)
[D-HADT] BK.117D3 all dark grey. Outside on calibration platform. Customer and c/n unknown so far.
D-HADW BK.117D2 Airbus. Arrived from Italy as "Redfox 10"
[D-HBKO] BK.117D3 Sécurité Civile f/c, outside for engine test. C/n confirmed as 21082 which would make it future F-ZBQN. The other one, D-HADI is thus 20271/F-ZBQM
[D-HBKN] BK.117D3 all black. Shortly towed outside of D10 when D-HBKO was pulled out
[D-HBKS] BK.117D3 ?, no further info, noted in the back of D10
[D-HBKU] BK.117D3 Mont Blanc Helicopters f/c. Outside for engine test, later back into C9. C/n confirmed as 21070. This ends the discussion about identity of Sécurité Civile helicopters (see above...)
[D-HBKY] BK.117D3 all black. Production flight as "Redfox 14". C/N and customer unknown so far but might be another brazilian VIP heli.
[D-HCBD EC.135P3H RThai AF. outside on the ramp
D-HCBS BK.117D2m Airbus (c/n 20259), towed outside of C9
D-HMBE BK.117D2m Airbus (inside C9), c/n 20177
[D-HMBF] BK.117D3 Johanniter Luftrettung. Towed outside of C7 for an engine test (c/n 21022=D-JLB)
D-HTSC EC.135T3 Airbus (local flight as "Redfox 2"). C/N 0832
RA-07537 EC.135.3H fully marked without testreg inside delivery hangar C9
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Some not so recent sightings;

31 August 2021 - hit & run visit
84+39	CH-53GS
84+51	CH-53GS
84+52	CH-53GS
85+07	CH-53GS
85+08	CH-53GS
D-HADJ	H145	primer
D-HBKC	H145	Politsiya Ukrayiny
D-HBKL	H145	black
D-HCBB	H135	white
D-HCBO	EC135T3H	DRF c/s
D-HMBB	H145

11 October 2021
79+21	NH90-TTH
79+51	NH90-NFH
84+51	CH-53GS
85+01	CH-53GS
D-HADD	H145	yellow
D-HADI	H145	Sécurité Civile fcs
D-HADM	H145	A6-MPC taped over
D-HBKG	H145M	Fuerza Aerea Ecuatoriana
D-HBKU	H145	yellow
D-HBTC	H145	black
D-HBTS	H145	white
D-HCBY	H145M	
F-ZBQN	H145	Sécurité Civile
LX-FAB	H145	Grand Ducal Police
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