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Russian IL-20 crash?

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News reports of a Russian IL-20 with 14 POB has disappeared off the Syrian coast late on 17 September,

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45556290
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Le Addeur noir wrote:News reports of a Russian IL-20 with 14 POB has disappeared off the Syrian coast late on 17 September,

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45556290
...some "interesting theories" mooted thru that link. "Friendly fire" / "Blue on Blue" :?: :
A French military spokesman told AFP news agency: "The French army denies any involvement in this attack."

Meanwhile, the Israeli military refused to comment on reports its planes targeted facilities in the Latakia area on Monday,
saying: "We don't comment on foreign reports."

A US Pentagon spokesman said: "The missiles were not fired by the US military and we have nothing further at this time."

However, an unnamed US official said Washington believed the plane was accidentally shot down with anti-aircraft artillery by the Syrian government, Reuters reports. :!:

The Syrian government has not yet commented on the incident.
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Stratofreighter wrote:
"Friendly fire" / "Blue on Blue" :?: :
You mean "Red on Red"?
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Stratofreighter wrote:
Le Addeur noir wrote:News reports of a Russian IL-20 with 14 POB has disappeared off the Syrian coast late on 17 September,

...some "interesting theories" mooted thru that link. "Friendly fire" / "Blue on Blue" :?: :
A French military spokesman told AFP news agency: "The French army denies any involvement in this attack."

Meanwhile, the Israeli military refused to comment on reports its planes targeted facilities in the Latakia area on Monday,
saying: "We don't comment on foreign reports."

A US Pentagon spokesman said: "The missiles were not fired by the US military and we have nothing further at this time."

However, an unnamed US official said Washington believed the plane was accidentally shot down with anti-aircraft artillery by the Syrian government, Reuters reports. :!:

The Syrian government has not yet commented on the incident.
Some newsreports in The Netherlands says that israeli jets hidded behind the Il-20 before the Il-20 was shot down .......
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45556290
...may be worth a read.
Are the accusations fair?

Analysis by Jonathan Marcus, BBC Defence Correspondent

Russia's anger is real. But the question is, are the Russians attributing blame fairly?

The charges are two-fold.
Long-standing and up to now effective information-sharing broke down.

The Israeli Air Force has Russian-speaking air traffic controllers
able to communicate with their Russian opposite numbers.

But Moscow says they were informed of the Israeli raid with only one minute's notice.

Secondly Russia charges - more seriously -
that the Israelis used the large radar signature
of the Ilyushin turbo-prop to mask their own aircraft.

But the radar signatures of the relatively slow Ilyushin
and four nimble F-16 jets are radically different. Image

Furthermore, the Syrian air defences should have known :!: the Russian plane was in-bound,
whatever the Israelis were doing.

There may be several contributory factors in this tragedy.

Russia cannot publicly castigate its Syrian allies.
In private things may be rather different. :twisted:
Map provided by Russian MoD, hardly impartial/objective...

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Map provided by Russian MoD, hardly impartial/objective...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45556290
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I can not confirm this registration, but IF this true its is the former Il-20 coded "21 red" from Sperenberg and later Kubinka.
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The big question is if the aircraft had transponder on.

Usually then flying in Baltic they did not use transponder.

If. With transponder on could the downshooting been avoided?
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The Il-20M


113-05 Il-20 1969 1970 Akhtubinsk VVS 2nd test aircraft
114-01 Il-20 TT-WAK 1973 VVS to Il-18D
114-02 Il-20 CC-75903? 1973 VVS to Il-18D
114-04 Il-20 RF-75499 1973 2017.08 Kubinka VVS to Il-18D
114-05 Il-20RT CC-75480 1973 Severomorsk VMF stored CCCP
115-01 Il-20 RA-75923? 1973 2005.08 ?? VVS S
115-02 Il-20M 1973 2017.05 Kubinka VVS 20 red S
115-03 Il-20RT RF-75344 1975 2018.02 Severomorsk VMF
115-04 Il-20M RF-93610 1973 2018.01 Kubinka VVS 21 red S
115-05 Il-20RT RF-75315 1973 2018.07 Ostafyevo VMF
116-01 Il-20RT RA-75483 1974 2006.04 Severomorsk VMF stored
116-02 Il-20M RF-75936 1974 2018.04 Khabarovsk VVS Pushkin
116-03 Il-20MS RF-90924 1974 2018.04 Chkalovskij VVS ny S
116-04 Il-20M RF-95687 1974 2018.04 Rostov VVS Pushkin 2018 S
116-05 Il-20M RF-95979 1974 2018.08 Khrabrovo VVS Pushkin 2016 S
117-01 Il-20M RF-95688 1975 2018.04 Rostov VVS Pushkin 2016 no blad
117-02 Il-20M 1975 VVS
117-03 Il-20M 1975 VVS
117-04 Il-20M 1975 VVS
117-05 Il-20M 1975 VVS
117-06 Il-20MS RF-95980 1975 2018.01 Chkalovskij VVS Monitor S
117-07 Il-20M RF-75931 1976 2017.08 Chkalovskij VVS Tolmachevo Khab. S
117-08 Il-20M RF-91819 1976 2013.12 Chkalovskij VVS Anagram Pushk 2013
117-09 Il-20M 1976 VVS
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