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Re: Europe Spring 2018: US Army 4th CAB,4th Infantry Div. he

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Thijs wrote:Around 17 June she will first disembark helicopters at Rotterdam Steinweg (which port is not known by me)
There are a few companies with the name Steinweg included in their company name or streetname:
C. Steinweg-Handelsveem, Waalhaven Noordzijde
Steinweg, Nijmegenstraat
Steinwegstraat
Steinweg-Handelsveem Europoort
C. Steinweg Botlek Terminal...

Can you please advise which one it would be?
(Or even better: the GPS location from which you took the foto's of the previous batch that arrived?)

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Pictures i took last year were from Oude Maasweg Botlek Rotterdam coordinates 51.888188, 4.314166.
The helicopters are at the Prof gerbrandyweg, however that is not accesible. So water between, and quite a distance. Choppers on the ground are hardly visible, and can only be photographed once airborne, and with minimum of 500mm....
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AK01 wrote:Pictures i took last year were from Oude Maasweg Botlek Rotterdam coordinates 51.888188, 4.314166.
The helicopters are at the Prof gerbrandyweg, however that is not accesible. So water between, and quite a distance. Choppers on the ground are hardly visible, and can only be photographed once airborne, and with minimum of 500mm....
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It's better to get them at the assembly point before the make the rest of the journey to Germany. The last time in Nordholz and Chievres they only moved out after all the choppers were re-assembled if I remember correctly.
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Arjan wrote:It's better to get them at the assembly point before the make the rest of the journey to Germany. The last time in Nordholz and Chievres they only moved out after all the choppers were re-assembled if I remember correctly.
No. Really depends on the local situation. Expect individual helicopters to depart or small groups.
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Best is to capture them at their refuel airfield.
That would be Gilze/Eindhoven/?? (I suspect...)
Also 2 possibilities there, on arrival and departure.
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I meant the refuel fields indeed. They gather there and only leave after the entire group is complete.
From there they will also leave in flights but usually in a day or two.
Waiting at the harbour is a tedious thing to do.
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cis wrote:Best is to capture them at their refuel airfield.
That would be Gilze/Eindhoven/?? (I suspect...)
Also 2 possibilities there, on arrival and departure.
You forgot Woensdrecht. That is the nearest Air Base :wink:
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ARC Endurance has left the port of Beaumont, and is on it’s way to Rotterdam
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michel N wrote:ARC Endurance has left the port of Beaumont, and is on it’s way to Rotterdam
ETA 20 June. Discharge of helicopters should be finished 21 June
Assume makes an ASS of U and ME.
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Eindhoven will be the place to be :wink:
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Nieuwsblad Transport 13 juni

De Rotterdamse haven is medio volgende week het bruggenhoofd voor de 4th Combat Aviation Brigade uit Fort Carson (Colorado), die onderweg is naar Duitsland.
Een ro/ro-schip van het Amerikaanse leger komt zestig UH-60 Black Hawk en CH-47 Chinook gevechtshelikopters en 1.100 voertuigen en containers lossen bij een Rotterdamse terminal, waarvan Defensie de naam nog niet wil vrijgeven. Het schip is een maand geleden in Beaumont, Texas geladen. In het verleden was de terminal van Steinweg aan de Frisohaven in het Eemhavengebied vaak het toneel van dit soort operaties.
De troepenverplaatsing maakt deel uit van de versterking van de Amerikaanse militaire aanwezigheid in Europa. Nederland levert daarbij ‘Host Nation Support’ en levert assistentie bij de omvangrijke logistieke operatie. De militairen zelf komen overigens gewoon via Schiphol naar Nederland. Defensie stelt dat Nederland een voortrekkersrol speelt bij het tot stand brengen van een ‘militaire snelweg’ door Europa.
De Black Hawks en Chinooks worden op de haventerminal vliegklaar gemaakt en vliegen vervolgens door naar Duitsland, gedeeltelijk via vliegbasis Eindhoven. Het overige materieel gaat op gewone containerchassis en diepladers over de weg naar Duitsland. Dat gaat niet konvooisgewijs, vertelt een woordvoerder. ‘Konvooien zijn altijd storend voor het gewone verkeer en het is ook niet nodig, want er zit geen zwaar materieel zoals tanks bij’, legt hij uit.
Het lossen, het vliegklaar maken van de heli’s en het op transport stellen van het overige materieel neemt twee tot drie dagen in beslag, de vliegoperatie vijf tot zeven dagen. De 4th Combat Aviation Brigade lost een andere helikopter-eenheid af en wordt negen maanden in Europa gestationeerd. Volgens de Defensie gaat het niet om de complete brigade. Die beschikt ook over Apaches en die komen niet mee.
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Not fully related to the 4th CAB arrival into Rotterdam, but 4 BlackHawks most likely landed at Zeebrugge harbor for the return shipment?
According to ADSB Exchange one was 16-20814, no photo proof yet.
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Thijs wrote:
michel N wrote:ARC Endurance has left the port of Beaumont, and is on it’s way to Rotterdam
ETA 20 June. Discharge of helicopters should be finished 21 June
The website of ARC shipping has now re-scheduled the Endurance for the 21th, so first action the 22nd??
See https://www.arcshipping.com/schedule/?s ... =endurance

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My source still mentions an ETA of 20 June....will see.

The trucks will leave the port during seven days after arrival. Don’t know if this is also the case for the choppers. Last time during the shipment to the US there was a couple of weeks between arrival in port by air en departure by vessel.
Assume makes an ASS of U and ME.
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