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F-117's in 1993

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hallo heren

kan iemand van julllie mij de nummers van f117 doorgeven die hier voor het eerst op oefening waren in europa met de datum van aankomst.

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Re: f-117 1993

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Deze heb ik uit m'n boekske:

08-06-1993 Gilze-Rijen (baan 28 in gebruik) Edit: nee nee nee nee zeg, baan 10 was in gebruik (dank voor de correctie, allen :wink: )
83-0807/HO F-117A 415th FS, 49th FW, ACC ATA1930LT arrival TDY
81-10797/HO F-117A 415th FS, 49th FW, ACC ATA1930LT arrival TDY
86-0823/HO F-117A 415th FS, 49th FW, ACC ATA1930LT arrival TDY
85-0830/HO F-117A 415th FS, 49th FW, ACC ATA1930LT arrival TDY
84-0812/HO F-117A 415th FS, 49th FW, ACC ATA2030LT arrival TDY
83-0808/HO F-117A 415th FS, 49th FW, ACC ATA2030LT arrival TDY
86-0839/HO F-117A 415th FS, 49th FW, ACC ATA2030LT arrival TDY
85-0836/HO F-117A 415th FS, 49th FW, ACC ATA2030LT arrival TDY

(Dit was NIET de eerste oefening van de F-117 in Europa, zoals je schreef. Maar 't was op Gilze, dus je zult deze bedoeld hebben)

Gr,

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Re: f-117 1993

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(Dit was NIET de eerste oefening van de F-117 in Europa, zoals je schreef. Maar 't was op Gilze, dus je zult deze bedoeld hebben)

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Re: f-117 1993

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Nilson wrote:
Stephan wrote:(Dit was NIET de eerste oefening van de F-117 in Europa, zoals je schreef. Maar 't was op Gilze, dus je zult deze bedoeld hebben) Gr, Stephan
Waarschijnlijk al mei 1986 ;-)
Jaja, de secret excersise(s) in England (Alconbury/Woodbridge-Bentwaters) zul je bedoelen... buiten de Libië-actie natuurlijk!!

overigens mijn logboek geeft ook dit nog weer als transport:
65-9411 C-141B 438AW
66-0160 C-141B 60AW
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Re: f-117 1993

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Stephan Lodewijks wrote: 08-06-1993 Gilze-Rijen (baan 28 in gebruik)
echt niet, de F-117's zijn 100% zeker op baan 10 geland (net als de rest die dag).
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attila.szabo wrote:Jaja, de secret excersise(s) in England (Alconbury/Woodbridge-Bentwaters) zul je bedoelen... buiten de Libië-actie natuurlijk!!
Nou weet ik weer hoe het was, RAF Sculthorpe werd gebruikt door USAF en er was sprake dat F-117's met A-7's een tijd 's avond/'s-nachts vanaf deze basis geoefend hebben, zie
http://www.pprune.org/archive/index.php/t-453162.html

*** 6th Jun 2011, 14:34 : When one was a cadet in the 80-90s the rumours around the squadron suggested that MIldenhall be The 117 hang out when in UK. I laughed it off then remembered the 2 disused ex SR-71 'barns' and the Lockheed Skunk Works reps and staff that be around. Plus looking at books on the 117 and the similar looking individual 'housing' at TTR, wasn't so much difference to the larger BLackbird barns.
I read in the very first Air Forces Monthly in 1987 that supposedly the 117 had been seen flying from Sculthorpe when it was still in USAFE hands. Cheers "chopper2004" ***
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Re: f-117 1993

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Hoe het ook zei! De "LV" A-7's die in het begin van de avond Soesterberg met een overshoot trakteerden waren er niet minder om!

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Redskin wrote:
Stephan Lodewijks wrote: 08-06-1993 Gilze-Rijen (baan 28 in gebruik)
echt niet, de F-117's zijn 100% zeker op baan 10 geland (net als de rest die dag).
Ik kan me nog herinneren dat bij de aankomst eerst final van 28 werd vrijgehouden door twee veldwachters. Toen werd de GCA omgedraaid (rwy 10) en stormde iedereen naar de hekken. Heb ook nog foto's liggen hiervan maar kan die niet bijsluiten in dit deel van het forum...
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Re: f-117 1993

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Haha, ja en er waren mensen die een groot spandoek met WELCOME hadden opgehangen bij baankop 28. Leuk idee, maar het miste z'n doel :=}:

Zucht, gaan we ooit nog zulke memorabele dingen meemaken in Nederland... :dontkno:
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Re: f-117 1993

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Nilson wrote:Hoe het ook zei! De "LV" A-7's die in het begin van de avond Soesterberg met een overshoot trakteerden waren er niet minder om!

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Ow, ja, wanneer was dat ookalweer!
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pjotrtje wrote:
Nilson wrote:Hoe het ook zei! De "LV" A-7's die in het begin van de avond Soesterberg met een overshoot trakteerden waren er niet minder om!

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Re: f-117 1993

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Die LV-A7's stonden op Woodbridge destijds, iig nog toch 20-5-1986:

69-6214 A7D 20051986
70-0982 A7D 20051986
70-1005 A7D 20051986
70-1020 A7D 20051986
70-1021 A7D 20051986
70-1023 A7D 20051986
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Re: f-117 1993

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Grappig zo'n discussie, hoort bijna in 't Praethuys thuis, van "stealth fighter" naar "sluf"

Oja, nog een feitje van wiki: LTV A-7 Corsair II use in F-117 development

The 4450th Tactical Group stationed at Nellis AFB, Nevada had the distinction of being the last active USAF unit to operate the A-7 Corsair II. The mission of the 4450th TG was the operational development of the F-117 Nighthawk, and the unit needed a surrogate aircraft for pilot training and practice. A-7Ds and A-7Ks were obtained from various active duty and air national guard squadrons and were assigned initially to the "(P)" or "Provisional" unit of the 4450th Tactical Group, redesignated the 4451st Tactical Squadron in January 1983.

The A-7s were used as a deception and training aircraft by the group between 1981 and 1989. It was selected because it demanded about the correct amount of pilot workload expected in the F-117A, was single seat, and many of the F-117A pilots had F-4 or F-111 backgrounds. A-7s were used for pilot training before any F-117As had been delivered to bring all pilots to a common flight training base line. Later, the A-7s were used to chase F-117A tests and other weapon tests at the Nellis Range.

A-7 flight operations began in June 1981 concurrent with the very first YF-117A flights. The A-7s wore a unique "LV" tailcode (for Las Vegas) and had a dark purple/black paint motif. The A-7s were based officially at Nellis Air Force Base and were maintained by the 4450th Maintenance Squadron.

In addition to providing an excuse for the 4450th's existence and activities, the A-7s were also used to maintain pilot currency, particularly in the early stages when very few production F-117As were available. The pilots learned to fly chase on F-117A test and training flights, perform practice covert deployments, and practice any other purpose that could not be accomplished using F-117As, given the tight restrictions imposed on all F-117A operations.

Some A-7s operated from the Tonopah Test Range Airport, about 30 miles (48 km) southeast of Tonopah, Nevada where the F-117s were being operationally tested. As a deception operation, care was taken to ensure that F-117As were never left parked outside aircraft hangars during daylight hours. However, A-7s were deliberately and routinely left outside hangars for the benefit of any orbiting Soviet spy satellites. Soviet intelligence agencies examining spy satellite imagery of the base would undoubtedly notice the A-7s parked on the Tonopah flight line, and would not be particularly interested. The intention of this deception was to convince the Soviets that Tonopah operated nothing more exciting than some A-7 Corsairs.

There were approximately 20 A-7D aircraft used in developing the F-117, including several two-seat A-7K trainers. In January 1989, just three months after the USAF admitted the F-117A existed, the A-7s were retired to AMARC and were replaced by AT-38B Talons as training aircraft and the 4451st TS was deactivated.
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Re: f-117 1993

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hallo stephan

bedankt voor de info uit het boeske en voor de snelle reactie

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Re: f-117 1993

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Graag gedaan, en sorry voor de verwarring over baan 10/28, daar zat ik echt fout.

Groeten,

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