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First of all I want to say that nothing bad can be said about these pictures, technically speaking.
But I wonder if there are people out there on this forum that have the same feeling / experience that I have.
In my opinion, way too many people try to follow in the footsteps of NustyR.
I "catch" my self clicking away pictures like these because "I've seen it before".
Again, they're really good pictures and I wished I had the equipment to try this field of photography myself, just to see if I can get it done but I often get the feeling, looking at pictures like these, that it is just copying NustyR and it's just too much of the same.
I wonder how the opinion of other photographers is...
And, to be quite clear, this is NOT an attack on the shown pictures in this post or the photographer...
First of all I want to say that nothing bad can be said about these pictures, technically speaking.
But I wonder if there are people out there on this forum that have the same feeling / experience that I have.
In my opinion, way too many people try to follow in the footsteps of NustyR.
I "catch" my self clicking away pictures like these because "I've seen it before".
Again, they're really good pictures and I wished I had the equipment to try this field of photography myself, just to see if I can get it done but I often get the feeling, looking at pictures like these, that it is just copying NustyR and it's just too much of the same.
I wonder how the opinion of other photographers is...
And, to be quite clear, this is NOT an attack on the shown pictures in this post or the photographer...
Grtz.
Zipper.
I would not call it copying ,I think its just a style of photography...
Some people like the 90 degree's side one type shots, and some people just like rainbows and special effects
That style might (waaaay before my time so not sure) be started be NustyR, but already has been executed for year by (for instance) steve morris (http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.s ... humbnails=)
Not every one can be innovative you always get your idea's from some one else (for me that is Tom, Menno, Etienne, Steve and indeed Martijn (NustyR)
I hope that sort of answers your question
First of all I want to say that nothing bad can be said about these pictures, technically speaking.
But I wonder if there are people out there on this forum that have the same feeling / experience that I have.
In my opinion, way too many people try to follow in the footsteps of NustyR.
I "catch" my self clicking away pictures like these because "I've seen it before".
Again, they're really good pictures and I wished I had the equipment to try this field of photography myself, just to see if I can get it done but I often get the feeling, looking at pictures like these, that it is just copying NustyR and it's just too much of the same.
I wonder how the opinion of other photographers is...
And, to be quite clear, this is NOT an attack on the shown pictures in this post or the photographer...
Grtz.
Zipper.
I would not call it copying ,I think its just a style of photography...
Some people like the 90 degree's side one type shots, and some people just like rainbows and special effects
That style might (waaaay before my time so not sure) be started be NustyR, but already has been executed for year by (for instance) steve morris (http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.s ... humbnails=)
Not every one can be innovative you always get your idea's from some one else (for me that is Tom, Menno, Etienne, Steve and indeed Martijn (NustyR)
I hope that sort of answers your question
1. :I Copying? Nah.. Just hanging out with the same group of people almost every day will get you practically the same stuff. It's a style like Lars says... And a lot of people like it.
2. Seen it before? Yep... But no one is saying you have to look at it...
3 To much of the same ? Absolutly! See number 1. Who cares?
4. So the standard stuff (90 degrees standard spotter style pictures) is not copied by anyone? Who started that? Saying it's NustyR style is total bull. (No offence ) At least i think. Who did he copy? He must have seen it somewhere and thought, "Hey that is cool, lets try and do that too." It's the style of the guy that shoots those pics at that moment. Just like Lars says, Steve Morris shot like that way before Nusty, hell, there could have been 1000 guys that have shot those pics but none off them put them on here at Scramble.
5. If you think it's getting boring, don't look. The guys are having fun. That's the only reason that counts.
6. My guess is there a more people who feel like you do, and they do not post their comments anymore. I do not see a problem:) Everyone is free to do as they please. Like you are to say what you think about it
And here we go again......pfffff. does this never end? Zipper, you asked for a reaction, so here you will get it......
About my age of 16 i was allready a pretty fanatic spotter, hell, i even wrote down numbers. In that period i lived nearby Groningen and i did full day trips to EHAM, taking the 06.00 AM train, taking my camera bag and some sandwiches and drinks. At that time i owned a Nikon F1. Allready at that time i was shooting the non 90 degrees shots, simply because i don´t like them. In that period i allready shot some very nice condensation and vortex shots, to me giving a whole lot extra in an image, creating movement and action.....For me personally this goes way back.
I have to be honest though, I didn´t practice this passion for a long time after. Photography in General is i think, my biggest passion, and I have been doing this for quite some years allready. Than at a specific moment, it came in to me, why not combine my passion for photography with my old hobby again, and so i did. Nowadays, in the digital age, you can get dramatic results a lot easier, so i knew what i was looking for. So no, i have to disagree about the copying issue. Does he inspire me, yes of course, but so does Tom, Andras, Lars, Vincent, Maartensr, Ramon or a whole lot of other guys i have even mentioned yet. Planes and weather can give awesome results, but in a lot of other ocasions i just like to shoot an airplane 3/4 front left or front right, nicely lit so the mechanical being of the plane can be seen, i like a lot of different styles, vortex and condensation shots are just one of them.
What i don't understand is your complain about this copy issue, but on the other hand saying this "I wished I had the equipment to try this field of photography myself". Everybody, and i mean everybody can shoot pictures like this. The only limitation to that is your budget. but even with a low budget you will be able to do so. For instance, look at Douwe, he made some very good progress, and considering his equipment, he's doing a great job.
For those who don't like these kind of images, is free to look somewhere else.
Cheers!
Menno
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Ja hoor... this confirms my opinion once again: too many big ego's here (instead of real amateurs, "liefhebbers" that is) who need to criticize other people's work, to feel better about themselves. Take a look at UKAR, a completely different attitude towards eachother in the forums there..
ReneHenckens wrote:Instead of "copies" can't we just call 'em "tributes"?
I call them images, photos, or pics come on guys, the power of communication through a forum is not too get overexcited and try and keep it in balance.
@Gerben Uk Airshow Reviews right? Never seen it, ill have a look soon..
Ok, maybe split this off into two parts to keep giving all posters a chance, remember, it's a photo topic of Amsterdam.
And finally, Lars, some good shots dude, nice light. Are you traveling by train almost every day to get to Schiphol? Respect!! You need to get your license
Very good pics. I was wondering these are taken at the fence at the end of the Sierra apron right? Did you take number 6 trough the fence, when I try this I always have some part of the fence on it.
I like discussions like we see in this topic. (if the mods want to move it, be my guest)
It's all natural progression of your taste as you photograph airplanes.
I started out with a manual Canon AE-1 which didn't go beyond 200mm. Back then, never did I think of making the photos that I make now. Then an autofocus EOS 50 with 300mm. Wooo... 300mm... I could take 3/4 front shots i.s.o. side ons.
Only when we hit the digital age, that silly cropfactor changed a lot. Suddenly you had "640mm". That opened a lot of doors. And cropping? totally new, in the analog days everything needed to fit the frame. So digital became a whole different mindset/approach to photography.
So... A friend tried the banking shots at AMS (I think it was Miguel Snoep) and we followed. Banking shots wasn't new, but at AMS we didn't see to many of them yet. Then the 06 sunrise photos. Luis Rosa was doing that already in Faro. Again a friend in our little group tried it in AMS (I think Martin Boschhuizen), we all liked it a lot and followed suit. I'm talking 2004 here.
Then mr. Garfinkel blew us away with moon crossings and mr. Morris with vortices. We followed, or at least tried (I don't have a 600 f4 lens). Why? Because we like it and we want to try for ourselves. Now mr. Chui is renting choppers for air-to-air photography. Do we follow? Where does it end?
Just try to push the boundries and have fun. I like this style of photography and I like the experiments. But note: If you post them here, post only the nicest ones. Too much of something is not good most of the time (like the overkill of F27 photos last week).
Maikel van der Heijden wrote:Very good pics. I was wondering these are taken at the fence at the end of the Sierra apron right? Did you take number 6 trough the fence, when I try this I always have some part of the fence on it.
Maikel
Yes, its was taken true the fence at the at the S-appron.
With longer lenses (400mm in my case) you will be able (if you hold your lens very close the fence) to shoot true it.
) At least i think. Who did he copy? He must have seen it somewhere and thought, "Hey that is cool, lets try and do that too." It's the style of the guy that shoots those pics at that moment. Just like Lars says, Steve Morris shot like that way before Nusty, hell, there could have been 1000 guys that have shot those pics but none off them put them on here at Scramble. 
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