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Re: SAR from Leeuwarden to de Kooy?

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A concentration on two bases for the fighterpart of the airforce. (What's left over of it ...)
Gilze and Volkel, and Eindhoven for transport.
sorry for being incomplete.
As you already will have understood, is Gilze for Heli and Volkel for fighters.

Sorry for causing confusion.

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Re: SAR from Leeuwarden to de Kooy?

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Alpha Kilo One wrote: But anyway, that's what rumours are.
A concentration on two bases for the fighterpart of the airforce. (What's left over of it ...)
Gilze and Volkel, and Eindhoven for transport.

But as politics is never for certain .............
I hope the best, but am expecting Leeuwarden to close.
Sources on the airbase itself confirm these rumours.
Sorry .....

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What about the rumours of relocating the transportsquadrons from Eindhoven to another airfield in light of the increasing number of civil flights at this field?
Still rumours, or not?
If so, maybe EHLW is an option.....
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Re: SAR from Leeuwarden to de Kooy?

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Just read the regeerakkoord and found nothing about the closure of Leeuwarden
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What about the rumours of relocating the transportsquadrons from Eindhoven to another airfield in light of the increasing number of civil flights at this field?
Still rumours, or not?If so, maybe EHLW is an option.....
Two months ago I asked LuVo about it, they were quite clear in that military transport stays at Eindhoven airbase, not eindhoven airport... it is an airbase with civil co-users, not the other way around, so the KLu will 99% certainly stay at their own base..... It is far more likely that civil traffic will be re-directed...
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Re: SAR from Leeuwarden to de Kooy?

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visser wrote:For sure the members of the " Milieu Taliban " are sharpening their knifes pointing ad the noise of the JSF. Every week there is an article in the local paper about the noise item and the consequences for the villages about EHLW.
Is an F35 making more noise then an F16? I doubt that..... The planes they build these days are much more quit then the "oldies", don't you think?
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Henk Voortwijs wrote:Is an F35 making more noise then an F16? I doubt that..... The planes they build these days are much more quit then the "oldies", don't you think?
Did you forget to read the vervanging F-16's topic?
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Henk Voortwijs wrote:
visser wrote:For sure the members of the " Milieu Taliban " are sharpening their knifes pointing ad the noise of the JSF. Every week there is an article in the local paper about the noise item and the consequences for the villages about EHLW.
Is an F35 making more noise then an F16? I doubt that..... The planes they build these days are much more quit then the "oldies", don't you think?
I recall reading and commenting on an article in the Vervanging F16's topic in 't Praethuys that a F35 makes an immense amount of more noise than an F-16.. Don't remember exact figures but I thought more than a 10 dB increase in either take-off or landing compared to the F-16. That's doubling the amount of noise 3 times and them some (if you know your physics).
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Polecat wrote:
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What about the rumours of relocating the transportsquadrons from Eindhoven to another airfield in light of the increasing number of civil flights at this field?
Still rumours, or not?If so, maybe EHLW is an option.....
Two months ago I asked LuVo about it, they were quite clear in that military transport stays at Eindhoven airbase, not eindhoven airport... it is an airbase with civil co-users, not the other way around, so the KLu will 99% certainly stay at their own base..... It is far more likely that civil traffic will be re-directed...
Well, that's not for the LuVo to decide, but for the politicians. And if they find that Eindhoven could use the economical boost created by civil movements, I fully expect to see an increase in civil traffic and maybe eventually a relocation of the transport fleet.

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Well, that's not for the LuVo to decide, but for the politicians. And if they find that Eindhoven could use the economical boost created by civil movements, I fully expect to see an increase in civil traffic and maybe eventually a relocation of the transport fleet.
and what about the increase in military traffic? All the KDC-10 flights, Antonovs and C-17's?

Ofcourse, LuVo only states the official current point of view of the KLu, and fact is that it is primarily an airbase with civil co-use... And the military also offers many jobs. In my opinion the price of relocating 1000 military families, let alone the brandnew infrastructure is way too high for the civil operators to pay, in other words I think the MoD has a very strong position in EHEH...
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Re: SAR from Leeuwarden to de Kooy?

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It has nothing to do with the SAR, but concerning the extra civil flights to be handled at Eindhoven: the former minister of traffic (Alders) will visit Eindhoven tomorrow for a discussion about these flights.
In the next few weeks/months it will also be discussed in 'de 2e kamer'. So let's wait and see, but I would not be surprised that, in the end, nothing will change.
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I wouldn't be surprised if the KLu stays on course and lelystad, Eelde and possibly Twente will be used as relief fields for civil traffic... Don't forget that EHEH will get two extra hercules and an extra DC-10, so it is likely that mil traffic will increase as well...
Besides, Alders wrote a report which didn't really discuss a military withdrawal from eheh...

(on a personal note, I don't care what we get at Twente... as long as it has wings and is made of aluminium I don't care about the paint job!!!)
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Polecat wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if the KLu stays on course and lelystad, Eelde and possibly Twente will be used as relief fields for civil traffic...
I thought in the topic somewhere at this board about that civ traffic being moved out of Schiphol, one of the people working at ATC said Lelystad had been binned for this purpose, as these kind of movements from EHLE would interfere too much with inbound traffic to EHAM.
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Polecat wrote:IDon't forget that EHEH will get two extra hercules and an extra DC-10, so it is likely that mil traffic will increase as well...
I do not think that flying activities will increase as these three planes replace four Fokker 60's (which were retired far too early). As these three planes have a larger capacity, less flights are needed compared to the times that the Fokker 60's were at EHEH :-(.
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Re: SAR from Leeuwarden to de Kooy?

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According to the press release posted below, it seems so.
The message states that 30 FTE's will be moved fron "Leeuwarden" to "de Kooy".
It will yet take some time, as there also will be a transition to the NH 90.
Herewith the Dutch press release, form the (local) newspaper:


De Kooy : dertig mensen van Leeuwarden voor SAR-taken

DEN HELDER -
Maritiem vliegkamp De Kooy in Den Helder krijgt er de komende jaren dertig mensen bij voor zoek- en reddingsoperaties op zee met helikopters.
Zij worden overgeplaatst vanaf vliegbasis Leeuwarden, waar vandaan dan geen SAR (search and rescue)-vluchten meer worden ondernomen.
De verhuizing kan nog even duren. De dertig moeten eerst worden omgeschoold om in het toekomstige NH 90-toestel te kunnen werken.
De eerste heli van dat type wordt volgens planning in 2011 geleverd, de laatste uit een serie van twintig in 2014. Twaalf NH 90-heli's komen op De Kooy te staan. Een of twee daarvan zijn bedoeld voor SAR-vluchten.
De drie Agusta Bell-toestellen die voor zoek- en reddingsoperaties in Leeuwarden zijn gestationeerd, worden afgestoten.
De Kustwacht doet nu een beroep op Leeuwarden bij vliegtuigcrashes op zee of patiëntenvervoer vanaf de Friese Waddeneilanden. De Kooy wordt ingeseind voor schepen in nood en patiëntenvervoer vanaf Texel. Al die taken gaan straks naar De Kooy.
Omdat de Friese eilanden bang zijn dat de aanvliegtijden vanuit Den Helder langer zijn, is er verzet tegen het uit handen geven van het patiëntenvervoer. Jaarlijks gaat het om zo'n 150 vluchten.
Achter de schermen werken defensie, verkeer en waterstaat, hulpverleningsdiensten, Friesland en Friese gemeenten aan een contract, waarin zij de garantie krijgen dat de reddingsheli vanuit Den Helder er minimaal net zo snel is.

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Re: SAR from Leeuwarden to de Kooy?

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De dertig moeten eerst worden omgeschoold om in het toekomstige NH 90-toestel te kunnen werken.
De eerste heli van dat type wordt volgens planning in 2011 geleverd, de laatste uit een serie van twintig in 2014.
Till now, it was said the first would arrive at the end of this year, so probably another delay. (and an italian machine would be based at de Kooy for training purposes from next june)
De Kooy wordt ingeseind voor schepen in nood en patiëntenvervoer vanaf Texel.
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