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Europe 2019: US Army 1st CAB, 1st Infantry Div. helicopters

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...time for an entirely new subject-thread, me thinks... :wink:

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1 CAB from Fort Riley, Kansas, will replace 4 CAB in operation Atlantic Resolve. Arrival in Europe expected in February 2019.
Should be in the week of 14 February 2019
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Tons of hardware has come through Oklahoma and Texas on their way to Beaumont. Let me see if I can dig up some numbers from what was noted.

Through Tulsa, OK, Jan 5, 2019:
UH-60: 20459.
AH-64E: 73168, 73171, 73174, +2.

Through Addison, TX, Jan 4, 2019:
CH-47F: 14-08168, 15-08466, 15-08197, 15-08466, 16-08198.

Not noted by myself. With other words not sure if these are part of this deployment but those stopovers for fuel are somewhat unusual.
At the time, ARC Endurance is berthed in Beaumont. So likely this is the ship to follow. On the Arc website, there’s no info on this ships routing unfortunately
...right, over to you to fill this 2019 thread :wink:
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According to Marine Traffic ARC Endurance is expected in Zeebrugge at 2019-01-22 07:00 LT.
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Hm, that would indicate unloading 1CAB in Zeebrugge and then [u]perhaps[/u] moving to Rotterdam for loading 4CAB. If so then the same choppers would be loaded in Rotterdam as in June 2018 were unloaded. [b]BUT![/b] this is pure speculation of course! Time will tell...
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Probably using Chievres again for a tech stop.
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Lots of photos of some of these on the Oklahoma spotters Facebook page, including some clear registrations.

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Stratofreighter wrote:...time for an entirely new subject-thread, me thinks... :wink:

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1 CAB from Fort Riley, Kansas, will replace 4 CAB in operation Atlantic Resolve. Arrival in Europe expected in February 2019.
Should be in the week of 14 February 2019

...right, over to you to fill this 2019 thread :wink:
It appears that the CAB designations that we use on this MB are not correct. Apparently it should just be Combat Aviation Brigade, 1st Infantry Division (so not 1st CAB) while the unit redeploying should be Combat Aviation Brigade, 4th Infantry Division. The "1st CAB" that redeployed from Zeebrugge last summer was Combat Aviation Brigade, 1st Cavalry Division. So the numeral preceding the CAB appears to be incorrect.
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Fishbed_9307 wrote: It appears that the CAB designations that we use on this MB are not correct. Apparently it should just be Combat Aviation Brigade, 1st Infantry Division (so not 1st CAB) while the unit redeploying should be Combat Aviation Brigade, 4th Infantry Division. The "1st CAB" that redeployed from Zeebrugge last summer was Combat Aviation Brigade, 1st Cavalry Division. So the numeral preceding the CAB appears to be incorrect.
That is correct, but even the US Army mixes (messes) up these designations in articles and releases.

Officially, the only numbered divisional Combat Aviation Brigades are/were 101st Combat Aviation Brigade, 101st Airborne Division and 159th Combat Aviation Brigade, 101st Airborne Division (inactivated 2015). Even these unit designations always formally include the division name. The 101st was the only division with 2 organic CABs.

All other divisional brigades are designated "Combat Aviation Brigade, ... Division". This currently prevents naming conflicts with the 1st Infantry Division, 1st Cavalry Division and 1st Armored Division. The CAB, 1st Cavalry Division is unofficially known as "1st Air Cavalry Brigade".

Non-divisional CABs are always numbered, like the 12th CAB and 16th CAB.

Source: https://history.army.mil/html/forcestru ... efault.htm
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CurrentOps wrote:
Fishbed_9307 wrote: It appears that the CAB designations that we use on this MB are not correct. Apparently it should just be Combat Aviation Brigade, 1st Infantry Division (so not 1st CAB) while the unit redeploying should be Combat Aviation Brigade, 4th Infantry Division. The "1st CAB" that redeployed from Zeebrugge last summer was Combat Aviation Brigade, 1st Cavalry Division. So the numeral preceding the CAB appears to be incorrect.
That is correct, but even the US Army mixes (messes) up these designations in articles and releases.

Officially, the only numbered divisional Combat Aviation Brigades are/were 101st Combat Aviation Brigade, 101st Airborne Division and 159th Combat Aviation Brigade, 101st Airborne Division (inactivated 2015). Even these unit designations always formally include the division name. The 101st was the only division with 2 organic CABs.

All other divisional brigades are designated "Combat Aviation Brigade, ... Division". This currently prevents naming conflicts with the 1st Infantry Division, 1st Cavalry Division and 1st Armored Division. The CAB, 1st Cavalry Division is unofficially known as "1st Air Cavalry Brigade".

Non-divisional CABs are always numbered, like the 12th CAB and 16th CAB.

Source: https://history.army.mil/html/forcestru ... efault.htm
Thanks, very interesting!
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Movie on 1st CAB website shows vessel Endurance. According Marinetraffic ETA 25 January Zeebrugge.
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According the Belgian newspaper 'Gazet van Antwerpen' the material will pass through the port os Antwerp.
Source: https://www.gva.be/cnt/dmf20190118_0411 ... werpen-aan
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That’s correct, but these are the trucks, armoured vehicles and other ground forces equipment. These were expected to be in Belgium before the aviation equipment arrives.

Most likely the ARC Resolve at the moment near Terneuzen
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Thijs wrote:Movie on 1st CAB website shows vessel Endurance. According Marinetraffic ETA 25 January Zeebrugge.

Is it possible to see something from outside at Zeebrugge?
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Rabbit wrote:
Thijs wrote:Movie on 1st CAB website shows vessel Endurance. According Marinetraffic ETA 25 January Zeebrugge.

Is it possible to see something from outside at Zeebrugge?
Not usually. The 2018 departures were reportedly hidden behind shipping containers.
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And during the arrival in 2017 all helicopters were parked behind walls of containers high. Only a few rotos visable, not more.
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