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Holland: KNVvL not happy at all with IVW airshow message....

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http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/news/?ID=35983" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Small translation: the Dutch equivalent of AOPA/Popular Flying Association/Air League has complained about a press statement made by Dutch Civil Aviation Authorities.
The Dutch CAA inferred that airshow organisers should adher to regulations concerning these air events.

The KNVvL (Royal Dutch Association for Aviation) states there was no reason to issue such a statement, which could be interpreted as a "warning".
It seems there was some kind of "incident" involving an aerobatics pilot of which the KNVvL says it wasn't that much of an "incident" at all.
The Dutch CAA may have wanted to somehow "showcase" an incident and point to a particular pilot while the KNVvL states nothing really happened.

I am very glad to read that there is already official resistance towards possible unnecessary interference by the Dutch Civil Aviation Authority towards airshows. :worship:
By 2001 the rules had become way too restrictive, only being loosened in 2004...
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14-08-2010

DRIEBERGEN - Onder het kopje "IVW vraagt aandacht voor veiligheid publiek voor luchtvaartvertoningen" verstuurde de Inspectie Verkeer en Waterstaat afgelopen week een bericht, waarin organisatoren van luchtvaartvertoningen worden gemaand zich te houden aan de wet- en regelgeving op het gebied van vliegveiligheid.

De vliegersbond KNVvL is verbolgen over de actie van de IVW en richt zich in een brief tot Luchtvaartnieuws.nl.

De IVW melde dat dit zomerseizoen extra aandacht moet worden gevestigd op de veiligheid van het publiek bij airshows.
Om die reden wijst IVW organisatoren van luchtvaartshows erop dat ze zich aan de wet- en regelgeving op het gebied van vliegveiligheid moeten houden.
Hoewel IVW over het algemeen tevreden is over de organisatie van airshows in Nederland, kan de veiligheid nog altijd beter.

De KNVvL weet dat er voor de actie van de IVW enige onderbouwing ontbreekt en dat er onnodig paniek wordt gezaaid.
"Er wordt de indruk gewekt dat er kennelijk wat aan de hand is, want zo'n waarschuwing stuur je er niet zomaar uit.
Dit blijkt echter niet het geval te zijn, want over het algemeen is IVW naar eigen zeggen tevreden over de organisatie van luchtvaartvertoningen in Nederland", meldt de vliegersbond in haar brief.

Volgens de bond koppelt de IVW een incident waarmee het risico bewezen moet worden aan haar bewering.
"Wij vinden het onbehoorlijk om over een beschikking te publiceren die op dat moment nog openstaat voor een bezwaarprocedure.
Bovendien is het pertinent onjuist dat IVW tijdens een luchtvaartvertoning moest ingrijpen om de aerobatic vlieger te corrigeren", meldt de bond.

"Alle instanties, waaronder IVW, LVNL, KLPD, de provincie en de burgemeester van de betrokken gemeente, waren vooraf op de hoogte van de te houden demonstratie, waarvoor waar nodig goedkeuring was verkregen.
IVW en alle andere instanties hadden de mogelijkheid om vooraf de beoogde uitvoering te corrigeren of af te wijzen", aldus de KNVvL.

Met enige kennis van de wettelijke bepalingen en de ervaring van de praktijk is de KNVvL van mening dat de regeling luchtvaartvertoningen een voldoende borging is voor de veiligheid en dat er geen sprake is van onervaren organisatoren.

De KNVvl besluit haar bief met de opmerking dat de inspectie schromelijk faalt in de onderbouwing van het "twijfelachtige" statement en heeft slechts een aardige verpakking gevonden om een vlieger op deze wijze publiekelijk ten tonele te voeren.
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What exactly is the "incident" the message is referencing? I'm really wondering what happened, as the message doesn't mention any details at all.

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Herbertvh wrote:What exactly is the "incident" the message is referencing? I'm really wondering what happened, as the message doesn't mention any details at all.

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Nor does http://www.scramble.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=65552 which is about the original message. I think, now this out of the blue message is out and about, someone from the authorities should tell what kind of incident has happened, also to give other pilots a chance to pay some extra attention to what might have gone wrong, in the interest of safety. (Extra head-up)

BTW scramble is the only place where I read about this. Normally "normal" press would jump onto the occasion if something happens at airshows or airshow related events. It gives a feeling (at least, to me) something about this is way too overdone, especially as no one in the airshowbusiness has come up with more specific info after the first (IVW) action. (Or is IVW trying to come up with some annual airshowreviews, like the CAA always does at the end of the season?) But this is completely played via Luchtvaartnieuws.nl, (KNVvL seems to have reacted exclusively to them) and nothing else. Should be thought about to.

BTW, There hasn't been any investigation by the Onderzoeksraad Voor Veiligheid this year in airshow related incidents, nor is one ongoing, according to their website, so it might not be to much what happened.
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Yeh, typical IVW 'If it ain't Dutch, it ain't 'indeed' much"
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Ja, vertelt gelukkig al iets meer. Maar dan nog, op welke locatie / datum was dit dan?

Edit: Yes, this message tells a little bit more. But it's still unclear what location on what date they're refering to.
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This Messageboard's "language police" will probably have a say in this... :wink:
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What may play a part in the background, a "rightish" cabinet is being formed of which it is widely expected that deep cuts will be made into governement agencies, including disbanding complete departments. What we have seen in the past few weeks is that all sorts of public organisations in e.g. the broadcasting and third world aid businesses have pointed towards their (alleged) indispensability.
Maybe IVW is afraid of its dominant position and wants to prove that it serves a purpose? How else to do that than with a press release like this, pointing at their important work.
Like previous posters, I can't think of any incident that would warrant such a release. After all, apart from the KLu Open Days, what more airshows have we seen this year?

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Hans Rolink wrote: After all, apart from the KLu Open Days, what more airshows have we seen this year?

Hans.
Midden Zeeland Wings and Wheels
Volkel in de Wolken
Arnhem Liberation Day Airshow

Not a whole lot, but still airshows, not that I saw any incidents during these shows.
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mikek1357 wrote:
Hans Rolink wrote: After all, apart from the KLu Open Days, what more airshows have we seen this year?

Hans.
Midden Zeeland Wings and Wheels
Volkel in de Wolken
Arnhem Liberation Day Airshow
Rescue Vlissingen
SAR Katwijk
Something going on at Kampen at the start of the season I can remember

Well the actual numbers are in Aviaphotos's link
IVW wrote:Ieder jaar worden in het zomerseizoen luchtvaartvertoningen georganiseerd. In 2008 waren dat er 29, in 2009 38 en tot nu zijn voor 2010 inmiddels 28 aanvragen voor vergunningen ingediend.
29 in 2008, 38 in 2009 and 28 requests for this year, until August 4.
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A lot of events I overlooked, I see :oops: Sorry...
In none of these anyone did see "problems" that would warrant an "ukaze" from the IVW?

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This year 19 Dutch events were listed in the showdates pages (including the cancelled ones). So it takes only a few balloon + light stuff events to complete the number.

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