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Re: Hunter T-7 crash, Shoreham Airshow, 22-08-2015

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This tragedic crash reminds me the A-10 one, at Paris airshow 1977.
The 10,000-flight hour Fairchild chief test pilot Howard W. "Sam" Nelson performed a loop, ending in the clouds.
He decided to make another one lower, but never ended it.
He encountered a dynamic stall and lots his life :-(

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Thanks for sharing.
Initial reports are always carefully written.
But, unfortunately, the attitude (wings not steady), the rate of descent and the tail hitting first (dynamic stall) are leading to the human factor, like in 90% of the cases, although investigators do not forget a possible older technical default...
Let's see... :(
Anybody has more recent news of the pilot?
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Re: Hunter T-7 crash, Shoreham Airshow, 22-08-2015

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FNF Rafale wrote:Anybody has more recent news of the pilot?
There was a claim at UKAR that they took the pilot out of coma. Not sure how reliable that is though. But the list of injuries didn't read as if he will be flying again very soon.
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Re: Hunter T-7 crash, Shoreham Airshow, 22-08-2015

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aviodromefriend wrote:
FNF Rafale wrote:Anybody has more recent news of the pilot?
There was a claim at UKAR that they took the pilot out of coma. Not sure how reliable that is though. But the list of injuries didn't read as if he will be flying again very soon.
Thanks.
"if he will fly again ...". I am afraid that we must say "if he will live" :-(
A low level ejection, decided or not, with this generation of seat is not a good thing ...
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FNF Rafale wrote: "if he will fly again ...". I am afraid that we must say "if he will live" :-(
...
For now he seems to succeed in that... Appearantly the hospital found him fit enough to continue recovering at home, truly amazing after such a crash...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/aviatio ... olice.html
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... olice.html
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http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-sussex-35153660
Shoreham air crash: Jet had out of date parts, says report

A jet that crashed during the Shoreham air show, killing 11 men, had expired ejector seat parts and an out-of-date technical manual, a report has said.

The Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) also said emergency workers had to delay their response because some explosive cartridges were still live.

Its report said the seats were a "significant hazard" that delayed rescue teams until they were made safe.

The Hawker Hunter jet plummeted on to the A27 on 22 August killing 11 men.

The final report is still to be published by the AAIB, but seven safety recommendations have been made in the bulletin
https://assets.digital.cabinet-office.g ... G-BXFI.pdf
, which has looked at the safety of ejection seats and the maintenance of ex-military aircraft.

The AAIB said manufacturer support for the jet had ended after it was retired from military service, and its technical manual had not been updated.

The explosive cartridges for the jet's ejector seat and canopy had expiry dates of June and July 2014, more than a year before the crash.

Sussex Police said officers were at the scene immediately after the crash and the issue of the ejector seats arose when victim recovery was taking place and the aircraft had to be lifted.

The AAIB report also said investigators could not determine if the aircraft met the requirements of its permit to fly from December 2014 onwards.

The AAIB said manufacturer support for the jet had ended after it was retired from military service, and its technical manual had not been updated.

The explosive cartridges for the jet's ejector seat and canopy had expiry dates of June and July 2014, more than a year before the crash.

Sussex Police said officers were at the scene immediately after the crash and the issue of the ejector seats arose when victim recovery was taking place and the aircraft had to be lifted.

The AAIB report also said investigators could not determine if the aircraft met the requirements of its permit to fly from December 2014 onwards.

Valid maintenance record

Aircraft that do not qualify for a standard certificate of airworthiness - generally former military or amateur-built planes - are able to operate with a permit to fly granted by the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA).

But the AAIB report revealed that initially the CAA "could not determine" if the Hawker Hunter met the requirements of its permit, because of doubts over the validity of the maintenance of its Rolls-Royce engine.

It recommended the CAA review its procedures over issuing such permits to ex-military aircraft.

A CAA spokesman said it was examining the AAIB bulletin in detail, but stressed it did not contain any information about the cause of the crash.

He said the CAA had told the AAIB investigation the jet had a valid maintenance record at the time of the crash.

"The aircraft did have a valid permit to fly at the time of the accident and was therefore permitted to operate," he added.

Work had been carried out on the aircraft in January 2014 and the next inspection was due in January 2016, the CAA said.

The AAIB said investigations would continue and it was still examining the aircraft and its maintenance records to determine its exact condition before the accident.

Pilot Andy Hill has been interviewed by police, it was confirmed last week.
Also see
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and previous pages on this link.
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http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-sussex-36743282
Shoreham crash pilot investigated for manslaughter

2 hours ago

Former RAF pilot Andy Hill, from Sandon in Hertforshire, was thrown clear as his jet plummeted on to the A27

A pilot, whose vintage jet crashed at the Shoreham Airshow killing 11 people, is being investigated for manslaughter, police have confirmed.

Former RAF pilot Andy Hill, 52, was interviewed under caution by police in December, after recovering from critical injuries in the August crash.

The details emerged in papers filed by Sussex Police in its High Court bid to access evidence.

Mr Hill's Hawker Hunter crashed into four pieces, hitting people on the A27.

Sussex Police said: "A 52-year-old man was notified in December he is being investigated for possible endangerment pursuant to Article 138 Air Navigation Order 2009 and also manslaughter by gross negligence."

As part of its inquiry, the force has applied to see material gathered by the Air Accident Investigation Bureau including cockpit recorders and footage.

Mr Hill was taken to the Royal Sussex County hospital in Brighton and placed in a medically-induced coma, then later moved to a specialist hospital.

BBC Sussex revealed last December that he voluntarily attended an appointment at a police station in Hertfordshire and was not arrested.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-sussex-36725134
Shoreham crash: High Court hearing over evidence

6 July 2016

Investigators of the Shoreham air crash are to get a bid to access evidence heard at the High Court.

Aviation law currently blocks Sussex Police access to some Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) material relating to the crash, last August.

The force is required to take the transport secretary to court so the material can be released.

Det Ch Insp Paul Rymarz, who is leading the investigation, said: "The application is to enable Sussex Police to obtain access to legally protected material including cockpit recorders and footage, expert reports and some documentation."

'Key evidence missing'

Mr Rymarz told a pre-inquest hearing in March their inquiry "cannot progress effectively" until the High Court issues its ruling, in a hearing scheduled for 14 and 15 July.

Without this material "key evidence is missing and experts are not in a position to provide interpretations", he said.

A spokesman for the AAIB told the pre-inquest hearing its final report was expected to be published in "early summer".
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/art ... wyers.html
Owners of plane in Shoreham air disaster have settled two claims, say lawyers

By Press Association

Published: 15:41 GMT, 19 August 2016 | Updated: 15:41 GMT, 19 August 2016

Aircraft owner Canfield Hunter told the BBC that its admission of liability was a statutory requirement, and it was committed to helping those caught up in the tragedy.

The development comes days before the first anniversary of the crash. Flowers will be laid and a minute's silence held on the wooden Shoreham Tollbridge on Monday at 1.22pm - the time of the disaster.
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THE publication of a report into the cause of the Shoreham Airshow tragedy has been delayed.

The Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) confirmed yesterday [19/07] its final report into the crash on August 22 last year will not be complete until September at the earliest.

The investigation was due to take a year to conclude, with investigators initially suggesting its full findings would be published as early as June or during the summer.

The AAIB, which is a branch of the Department for Transport, has published several interim reports detailing....
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The Shoreham Airshow accident was a year ago today:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Shor ... show_crash

This is how the pilot looks like these days:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... crash.html
Of course still photography does not tell the whole picture about someone being portrayed.

All directly involved will not have had much to smile about since that fateful day back in August 2015.
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Stratofreighter wrote:The Shoreham Airshow accident was a year ago today:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Shor ... show_crash

This is how the pilot looks like these days:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... crash.html
Of course still photography does not tell the whole picture about someone being portrayed.

All directly involved will not have had much to smile about since that fateful day back in August 2015.
My guess is that the pilot didn't do it on purpose.... Lets just waith on the full investigation report.
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...the legal team of the victims -and next of kin are hounding the CAA it seems...
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/14910955 ... _measures/
2 days ago

THE families of the victims of the Shoreham Airshow disaster will fight to see safety measures introduced
after the regulator rejected
almost half the recommendations made.

A lawyer representing relatives of the 11 men who died on August 22, 2015,
said they will continue to campaign to see safety rules introduced
to prevent another tragedy.

James Healy-Pratt, of Stewarts Law, who is acting for relatives of six victims, said: “The families will want these safety measures followed up or expect a very clear explanation of why they have not been.

“They don’t want this to happen again. It’s not good enough to simply ignore them [the recommendations].

“There is simply no room for buck passing. If they are not addressed, we will be raising this again at the inquest.”

He said the system was “imperfect” because the AAIB had no power to enforce the recommendations it makes.

He and the families would be pursuing other ways of making airshows safer by calling on the coroner to rule on the introduction of safety measures to prevent further deaths at the conclusion of the inquest.
... http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/14910955 ... _measures/
is quite a lengthy piece to read.

The CAA will certainly feel the breath of the legal team representing the victims and next of kin from very close up.
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This is how the pilot looks like these days:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... crash.html
Of course still photography does not tell the whole picture about someone being portrayed.
In Dutch this is called "riooljournalistiek". What a garbage! The men walks his dog for Fxxx sake. What is he supposed to do, sit at home and cry for more than a year...?
He might have made a tragical error, and as there will be a trial he might be punished for it. Either way he has to live with the knowledge his flight cost 11 lives. But this article is just garbage.
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https://www.gov.uk/government/news/stat ... estigation
Shoreham air display accident investigation

The Air Accidents Investigation Branch will publish its final report at 1200hrs on Friday 3 March 2017.
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patrick dirksen wrote:
This is how the pilot looks like these days:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... crash.html
Of course still photography does not tell the whole picture about someone being portrayed.
In Dutch this is called "riooljournalistiek". What a garbage! The men walks his dog for Fxxx sake. What is he supposed to do, sit at home and cry for more than a year...?
He might have made a tragical error, and as there will be a trial he might be punished for it. Either way he has to live with the knowledge his flight cost 11 lives. But this article is just garbage.
Up to the usual standards for a British tabloid, then.
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